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Tuesday, January 08, 2008
Obama's Speeches Can Make Me Dewy-Eyed Too, But ....
This is a rather long post, but I hope you'll hang in with it on this New Hampshire primary day.
I'm all for "change." I'm all for "movements." I'm all for this being our "moment." I'm all for "changing the way our government operates." I'm all for stirring, emotive rhetoric. I love to hear Obama speak when he's on his game. He can be a very persuasive and inspiring speaker at times. He's given at least three speeches that were powerhouses: at the Democratic Convention in 2004, at the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner in Iowa this year, and after the results were in for the Iowa Caucus last Thursday.
However, I've also witnessed him give rather boring, banal, low key, blah blah speeches at rallies that have been televised. And his measured demeanor at debates and other more intimate events can be a bit dry. But what bothers me most about his candidacy is that he speaks almost entirely about process and generic values instead of substance.
What's Behind Obama's Lofty Rhetoric?
Change, hope, unity. Great words. But what do they mean in terms of his plans to counter the awful juggernaut against individual liberties and working and middle class economics that's being conducted by powerful forces in Washington, on Wall Street and in multi-national board rooms? We have almost no idea based on what Obama is saying or what he has said or done in the past.
We do know that he's for nuclear power, that he backed a bill promoting energy from pseudo-"clean" liquified coal, that he's taken significant amounts of money from Wall Street, the corporate and lobbying elite and PACs. We know his health reform plans allows opt outs that will almost certainly undermine its effectiveness. We know he gave support to the Peru trade bill while saying he's against NAFTA, and that he's recently been employing Repub framing and bashing some progressives like Paul Krugman. You don't hear much populist sentiment from Barack. Open Left's Matt Stoller has more on this aspect of Obama's actions:
Since declaring for President, this person has called Social Security a 'crisis', attacked trial lawyers, associated unapologetically with vicious homophobes, portrayed Gore and Kerry as excessively polarizing losers, boasted as his central achievement an irrelevant ethics bill, ran against the DC establishment while taking huge amounts of cash from DC, undermined Ned Lamont in 2006, criticized NAFTA while voting for a NAFTA-style trade agreement, compiled opposition research on the most effective liberal pundit in the country, refused to promise that American troops would be out of Iraq by 2013, and endorsed the central plank of the Bush-Cheney foreign policy doctrine, the war on terror.
And, of course, many of us have seen the Amy Goodman's story of business-as-usual advisers on foreign policy that are on the Obama team (and Hillary's and Edwards' as well). Granted, not one of the Dem candidates is without some baggage or a number of positions we'd wish they'd sharpen or change. But I think it's important that we at least know the extent of these and bring them into the equation before locking in one of them as our nominee, no matter how impressive (or not) they are on the stump.
I know I'll be tagged as one of the "cynics" now deemed so out of date in the new "post-partisan" era, but I say beware -- let's take it a bit slower.
Our Own Private Projection Screen
Obama is running an incredibly effective campaign by saying almost nothing but fuzzy wuzzy buzz words. He's putting himself out there as a kind of blank screen, available for the projections of everyone's very own version of the new change revolution. He doesn't leave anyone out, whether Repub, Independent or Dem, whatever their gender, race or ethnicity. He tries not to offend anyone, except maybe those who've been made combative by at least eight years of assaults on our person, our civil liberties, our economic livelihoods and just about everything else that matters. Reacting with anger or replying in kind to the battering coming from BushCo's side of the aisle is considered so, you know, PARTISAN. So, you know, out of date -- like love bead, protests and speaking truth to power.
I say beware -- let's think this through. Try to picture raising the level of discourse with the forces behind and supportive of Guantanamo, torture, criminal trade deals, hatemongering on immigration issues and the subprime mortgage scandal. Try to picture being accommodating and inclusive with them, having them serve within a Democratic president's cabinet. Try to picture genteely negotiating with insurance and drug company execs and lobbyists to get a fair deal for the people. Hard, isn't it?
Should one of our top priorities be to make country club Republicans feel better about the atrocities they've helped to elect and enact over the past eight years -- just so they could keep their taxes low? Are we to sidle up with charm to those who have been branding GLBT folks like me as abominations that shouldn't have equal rights under the law? What kind of bipartisan agreement or accommodation can there be on issues and conflicts loaded with the kind of explosive consequences that once brought our nation a civil war and are now creating the pathways to an eternal state of war and constant surveillence?
A Little History
Open Left's Paul Rosenberg riffs on the theme of "bi-partisanship":
Democrats have been trying to make nice-nice with Republicans in order to put an end to polarization and divisiveness at least since the days of Jimmy Carter. The results have been quite satisfactory... for the Republicans. Barack Obama says that this time it will be different. If he means to inspire us, that's one thing. But if that's really his game plan, then he is reading from speeches given by Lucy to Charlie Brown: this time, for sure, she won't pull that football away at the last moment.
Okay, folks, there are so many examples, it's impossible to choose. Should we look at:
(A) Jimmy Carter takes "bipartisan" advice from Henry Kissinger, lets the deposed Shah into the country, and precipitates a hostage crisis that costs him the presidency-with a little help from the 1980 Reagan/Bush team, which is not above a little bit of treason, if that's what it takes to get elected.
(B) Michael Dukakis refuses to get down and dirty. "It's about competence, not ideology," he explains-perhaps the most incompetent thing a presidential candidate has said since Hebert Hoover adopted the theme song "Happy Days Are Here Again" in the midst of the Great Depression. In Ohio, Senator Howard Metzenbaum ran as a full-throated economic populist and cruised to a 57-43 victory, while Dukakis ran away from the "liberal" label, and lost badly, 55-45. [Ohio SOS Raw Totals]
(C) Bill Clinton ignores a whole raft of Republican scandals [Iran-Contra, Iraqgate , October Surprise, etc.] in an attempt to make peace with the Republicans. He caves on a whole series of issues, and-voila!--the Republicans win control of Congress for the first time in 40 years, and launch a scorched earth campaign to drive him from office.
(D) Al Gore plays by Marquess of Queensberry rules, and has the Presidency stolen from him.
(E) John Kerry refuses to fight back when , then starts to think better of it, until John McCain tells him "no fair hitting back." Then he reverses his earlier pledge to fight to ensure that every vote is counted.
Can't We All Just Get Along?
Obama's vision of a calm, friendly, fair-minded rennaissance of American politics is an alluring one. Dreams of Eden always are, especially in an America that clings to Walt Disney-esq images of itself, its motives and its goals. Imperialism, empire, economic criminality and a surveillence state are ugly and brutal concepts. Envisioning a political scene full of Bambi-like good government types is appealing and comforting. But what do you think the next eight years will bring in terms of problems we won't be able to avoid confronting? Opportunities for abundant nicey nice, or continuing and increasingly ominous challenges to the very basis of our democracy and planetary survival?
Will we need the skills of someone unafraid to get their hands dirty or someone who seems to feel uncomfortable -- or even above the fray -- when confrontations arise? I do know that genuinely dark forces are afoot in many places in today's global landscape. There are corporatist Robber Barons everywhere, calling way too many shots solely for their own gain. Does Obama understand how determined and entrenched they've become -- and the kind of fortitude and sustained battles it will require to take them on with any degree of success?
Let's Take a Breath
Don't get me wrong. I, too, got chills listening to his last Iowa speech. I, too, am thrilled with the prospects and historic breakthroughs presented by an Obama candidacy. There's much I admire about Barack Obama, and he may well turn out to be as good as the rhetoric he's using. But how do we know at this point? Before we all get in line to follow the pied piper, I think we ought to demand to know much more about what he really plans to do and how he intends to go about it. Most of us are positively yearning for a real leader, a visionary of sorts who can carry us into a future of critical paradigm change and enlightened problemsolving. Obama is putting himself out there as the one who can fulfill these needs, but what kind of specifics has he provided so far? How has he been tested?
I hope we can keep our options open for now. I'd like to see this race play out among two or three candidates until well after Super Tuesday. We all deserve an opportunity to reassess their strengths and weaknesses once the initial rush of Iowa and New Hampshire starts fading, don't we? There is so damned much at stake.
January 8, 2008 at 11:34 AM in 2008 Presidential Primary | Permalink
Comments
I'm sticking with Edwards until we hear more specifics from Obama. I'm hoping he's not another Demo like Bill Clinton who gave away the farm so he'd be liked.
Posted by: I Vote | Jan 8, 2008 1:03:49 PM
Why don't you go to Obama's issues page before you start mindlessly repeating the smear artists? My god you sound like a Republican!
Read Read his issues page. Click any heading for issues that interest you. And go to his Wikipedia page for some of his accomplishments.
You say "but what kind of specifics has he provided so far? How has he been tested? You can find much of this out if you would try instead of ranting and raving. Are you too lazy or do you just like to use your platform to bash? I have read the positions of all the 3 top candidates in detail. And I have read and studied a whole hell of a lot of political history.
You are showing a preconceived bias toward the other candidates and it looks like you havn't examined their positions in depth. For example why does Edwads want to privatize public housing -- a strategy which has been shown to fail some 75-80% of all those living in public housing? He sure let the people of NOLA down when it counted.
Clinton boasts experience and 35 years of change. If this is where we are after 35 years, I don't like it. And as for "experience" it always looks to the past -- and frequently hampers thinking based on experience with what was. One thing we know for sure about the future is that there will be surprises. The next 4 years will NOT repeat the past. The hot spots WON'T be the same. Past experience will not be the road map for what is needed.
As for working with others read https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/us/politics/28obama.html
A New York Times article from January 28, 2007 titled "In Law School, Obama Found Political Voice."
Read some and then think some. And don't quote stuff without checking it out. I am not able to write well but would discuss your rant point by point if you email me. However, right now I feel "with Dems like you, who worries about Republican hitters!"
sam
Posted by: Sam D | Jan 8, 2008 1:12:31 PM
Sam, I find your comments a bit over the top. If you're going to get that reactive, you're going to have a long campaign season.
It's only proper that someone suggest we stop and think about this herd mentality that has set in about Obama. He has his strengths and weaknesses like all politicians and it's not being "Republican" to ask questions about his positions or to point out things we disagree with. You sound like a true believer and that doesn't help things when people are trying to make sense of what's going on so fast in this primary season.
I like both Edwards and Obama and I want to see them battle it out in many more states before I start seeing one of them as a savior above criticism.
Posted by: Old Dem | Jan 8, 2008 1:24:39 PM
Oops, didn't give the url for article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/us/politics/28obama.html
Also go to : https://www.usaspending.gov
Do You like it? Thank Barack Obama (and Coburn - R-OK who fronted for the bill!) Obama's been trying to get a database up for proposed earmark legislation but somehow none of the other senators will cosponsor so it will have to wait until he is president.
Tell me when did DOMA go in effect and how did Hillary and John vote on it?
sam
Posted by: Sam D | Jan 8, 2008 1:31:53 PM
I hear you, Barb, and share the same concerns. His vague, romantic optimism troubles me when we have a populist-style candidate offering detailed, conflict-creating strategies to solve our problems. We should know by now that change can only occur through conflict, and Edwards isn't afraid to make it happen.
Have you seen this Open Left piece breaking down populism v. progressivism related to Edwards and Obama? It's fascinating stuff, and he spends a lot of time analyzing Obama's victory speech from Iowa. Check it out:
Edwards v. Obama: Cross-wiring Populism and Progressivism
Posted by: | Jan 8, 2008 1:32:23 PM
There are many warning signals about Obama. They're just that, warning signals but I think they should be checked out. Position papers on candidate websites can say anything.
Why does Sam think that having qualms about Obama means being a Republican? We've been fooled before like with Bill Clinton and I think we need to be very careful about who gets the nomination. I don't like it much that two mostly rural mostly Republican states where voters can switch over to vote in the other party so easily are in the drivers seat on this. We need to let more states get a chance.
Posted by: Josie | Jan 8, 2008 1:50:02 PM
I think it is entirely appropriate to be cautious of what Obama says.
Read the following, definitely not Republican talking points: https://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=483&Itemid=46
Jason
Posted by: | Jan 8, 2008 2:20:38 PM
I'm with Barb. I want more substance! Frankly, I don't expect to agree with any politician all the time, but I do want to know that s/he shares my values.
With Edwards, I know what I'm getting - a progressive economic populist who is not afraid to take on corporate interests. I like that!
I know what I'd be getting with Hillary, too. She's a corporate owned and operated DLC sellout politician with few accomplishments of her own who is running on her husband's record. I don't like that, not one little bit.
With Obama, I don't know so much. He's a whip-smart, charismatic man who gives a fantastic speech from time to time. He has succeeded at grassroots politics throughout his career, which impresses me. He has been fabulously successful so far at turning out young voters, and if he can keep doing it, he will win the nomination and the Presidency, and he'll deserve to. However, I don't really understand what his core values are, and he's running on vague themes of "Change" and "A different kind of politics." That makes me nervous, because they have no specific meaning. Different how? What kind of change, and in what direction?
To Sam: Respectfully, it's the candidate's job to elucidate his positions, not mine to research them in detail. If very active Democrats don't know what Obama's positions on important issues are, or if s/he thinks they're vague, then the candidate has not done his job. JMHO.
Posted by: Don S | Jan 8, 2008 2:27:35 PM
Good to see the discussion. I think we need it.
Maggie: Thanks for the link to more good stuff from Rosenberg at Open Left. The comments on that post are definitely worth reading too. They lay out the varying points of view on Obama and progressive vs. populist quite well.
Based on the definitions in that post, I personally would tend more towards the populist view that politics is a "blood sport" where competing power blocs collide, and we must fight against opposing power blocs with real passion and a cynical eye. Think labor movement. There was no way to negotiate our way to more power for the ordinary working stiff.
I think the progressive position as defined in Rosenberg's post is kind of naive and idealistic, although I think we need elements of that for sure if we are to gain momentum and move forward. I just want to be more convinced that Obama sees the benefit of both orientations and that he won't put "getting along" before standing and fighting for principle. We had enough of that with B. Clinton and the U.S. Senate is loaded with these types.
I read something on Open Left (I think) recently that looked at the data from Iowa and concluded much of Obama's support came from "creative class" folks who are well educated, rather comfortable financially and youngish, rather than from the Independents and Repubs many other are claiming made the real difference. We have several generations of Americans who haven't really seen violence applied to stop change in real time (yet) and I think some among them have too much faith in getting real change without real hardship, pain and losses.
Posted by: | Jan 8, 2008 2:48:06 PM
I think you've hit on some of my concerns about Obama--see my blog for detailed thoughts--but the last comment here summarized it well.
Are we going to get real change without sacrifice? No. Next question?
Posted by: | Jan 8, 2008 5:04:02 PM
I believe that most progressives have a hard time accepting Obama because he is a minority.
His positions are hardly different than Edwards except Obama is BETTER at inspiring people. Obama makes Edwards look boring like Gore.
It is a bitter pill to swallow to see a minority win with the Dean message. Edwards is just as vague, but if he were winning none of the regulars on this site would be complaining.
Posted by: OLD NM DEM | Jan 8, 2008 6:14:34 PM
"I believe that most progressives have a hard time accepting Obama because he is a minority."---
Okay, I admit I don't get around here as much as I should, but is this sentence from "Old NM Dem" code for something else profound or simply as asinine as it appears to me, a too-infrequent passer-by here?
Or is it a simple troll that I should avoid and don't know any better? If so, my apologies (apologies also if it contains some profoundly accurate message I don't understand).
Posted by: | Jan 8, 2008 7:15:49 PM
Old NM Dem: NO One is complaining here...we are choosing a leader - a president that is going to control much of how we live in the coming years. The amount of turmoil we are looking at, in my mind, is boggling. Economic crisis being the top on my list. Once this happens no one will have anything, healthcare a thing of the recent past.
What will any of these people black or white, male or female do to keep the people going??
No complaints old nm dem just reasoning.
Posted by: meb | Jan 9, 2008 8:07:06 AM
Anyway you cut it, the next Presidency will be a very difficult one. We do need to have a lot of this kind of discussion, the more we can learn about the candidates now, the better. One thing for sure, all the Democratic candidates are head and shoulders above anything on the other side so we have that working for us.
Posted by: VP | Jan 9, 2008 8:25:54 AM
You weren't asking Questions;you were cutting and pasting smears. Don't call me over the top.
That rant included some out right lies. For ONE example: "portrayed Gore and Kerry as excessively polarizing losers," Now what he said was the country WAS polarized in 2000 and 2004. which was true. In a way he was saying neither Gore nor Kerry could win BECAUSE of that polarization. I guess Kerry didn't see Obama as having attacked him in any way.
Obama never said a word about Gore or Kerry as individuals. Yet you repeated the smear.
I used to like Edwards until I read his positions and saw how he treated the people in New Orleans -- as photo ops. Edwards stuff on healthcare is mushy and shows that he doesn't know what IS going on. He makes many proposals for things that already exist -- reinventing the wheel which doesn't move us forward but sounds real good to people who don't know what is going on.
Sam MPH (that's Masters in Public Health)
Posted by: Sam D | Jan 12, 2008 1:46:05 PM
Sam, it was "Old Dem" who called you over the top, etc., not me. You should direct your comments to the person whose comments your responding to.
That said, you've got your opinion on what Obama's remarks mean and others have theirs. I note you haven't refuted the other points, like that Obama supports nuclear power, "clean" coal, that he's received lots of money from Wall Street, the corporate and lobbying elite and PACs, that he supported the Peru trade bill, that his health plan allows opt outs and that he's bashed Krugman.
You might persuade more people if you took a less angry tone and tried to address the points raised in a reasonable manner instead of making accusations and ranting.
I've read Edwards positions and find most of them to be excellent. I thin his health care plan, as those of the others, is flawed but better than Obama's. It seems evident to me that we won't be able to afford universal coverage unless we switch to single payer but I understand you have to start somewhere. Paul Krugman agrees.
Just because you say you have an MPH doesn't mean your views are right. Many experts in health care are in disagreement about any number of points about coverage, insurance, etc.
The main point I want to make is that Democrats can disagree about our presidential candidates but that's no reason to be so angry at those don't share your views.
Posted by: | Jan 12, 2008 2:08:27 PM